We tried over and over all night. Prince's infernals was being a bitch. We got him down to 3%, 2% and at one point 1% and still at the very last second see an infernal drop on top of our dps group/tank. I hate the Prince fight. Too much luck involved! Several times we had our group closed off and trapped by infernals.I have never felt so gimped in my wow life. 7k damage and we could not finish him. I really regretted not going in as arms/protection last night. I had enough, either I have to sacrifice my spot and have a dps replace me or go in as arms/protection just for the Prince fight. It was a really a downer for the morale of the group. Does any warriors out there feel the same way? Are you OTing and find yourself gimped in some fights in Karazhan?
I am going to try an arms/protection hybrid so that at least I can still take the adds.
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Unfortunately, this melee-unfriendly fight requires you to stack the raid with ranged DPS...until your raid is geared up at least.
BTW, I think you'll be disappointed with arms/prot DPS in a raid. It's just...meh.
I think you're right, swap yourself out for a DPS class. That, or have the warriors roll off and the winner tanks Prince.
Hey Brig,
Make sure you keep your DPS figure from that fight and compare it to what you get from your Arms build. I bet it isn't going to be much higher. (Or I just suck with Arms spec *chuckle*) Blood Frenzy for others isn't counted in that though, and it is a very nice debuff.
Your Negative Druid is moaning a bit as well it seems. Looks to me like the hunter you had was the problem - if you have a good damage meter tool (I use Recount), check their autoshot/everything-else distribution - if it's more than about 60% done by autoshots, they really need to learn some hunter basics (or get a weapon slower than 2.7)
Oh! One other thing I thought of - are you skilled to max on your weapon types? When I switched back to Prot, I hadn't used my 1H weapons in a few levels and they were badly underskilled - that sucks. Make sure you check the same for your 2H...
- Jabari
I am not really expecting my dps to blow off the roofs when I switch to arms. I just want to contribute alittle bit more that what I was doing as protection spec. I am sure it would do more damage. We got him down to 7k. I keep on thinking that 7k should be no problem for an arms spec warrior. I did 5-8k execute once when I was leveling. Maybe 8k execute is exageratting too much. lol.
Anyway, I leveled arms so I have my skills up to date. Also I was dual wielding and missing alot last night which kindda sucks.
I'm in a rather unfortunate position with 31/15/15. Part of me wants to just say fuck it and go 33/28/0 like every other Arms Warrior in the game, and improve my single-target DPS (since currently, if I'm not smacking three things at the same time, I might as well be autoswinging), but part of me also likes the utility of having the base Prot points for five-man tanking, but would really rather not give up some of the spiffy shout talents I've got (hey, +25% to Commanding Shout has saved my life before).
More than anything, I think it's just a basic flaw in the Prince fight. Any boss fight that's that reliant on luck despite skill is a broken encounter.
Another thought is that there really isn't much plate DPS gear in Kara. I think I counted one piece in all the boss drops, actually. Everything else is either leather (Feral Druids and Rogues get first dibs), or free rolls (rings, cloaks, and necklaces that you have to fight over with Feral Druids, Rogues, and Hunters). Oh, and Gorehowl is the shit, too. But anyway, not a lot to choose from as a DPS Warrior outside the Tier 4 tokens. If you decide to go that route, it might be worth your time to try farming some Arena rep on the side for their lovely S2 pieces. (I love my Arena pants.)
Meddy
Thorium Brotherhood-US
I have successfully OT much of Kara with a 0/47/14 spec. I have the gear to support losing the 20 defense and still stay above the 490 mark, so I took Imp Bloodrage and Tactical Mastery. Shield Spec, Imp Shield Block, and Defiance are musts. Since I wouldn't be MT, I figured that Last Stand wouldn't be needed.
I prefer Fury to Arms when DPSing in raids. Arms is too bursty and can get you into trouble. Fury provides sustained/steady DPS, and if you start to reach the threat of the tank, just let it auto-attack for a few seconds. You will need to gem up with Rigid Dawnstones to get your hit rating up, if you are missing too much.
Anyways, for our Kara group, we have a Feral Druid or Fury Warrior OT. We've found that it is very important that the OT can push out some good DPS when needed.
The spec didn't link right. Here it is.
@rilabes:
I believe that if you're going to forego everything in Arms, that 0/31/30 is better for DPS than 0/41+/xx full-fury. 1-H Spec is the absolute best DPS talent available to warriors.
Plus, you get to pick up Conc-Blow and Last Stand as well. :)
(Note: I haven't tried either spec - this is theorycrafting from EJ, but I generally go with the conclusions they come up with)
I personally like the Arms hybrid better, because I'm addicted to Imp TC, but 0/31/30 looks really good too - it's definitely better for damage than the 33/5/xx I was using before.
One other note: Please don't use hit rating gems. Get your hit rating somewhere else from gear - +6 hit rating is cheaper on item budget than +6 crit rating, but they cost the same in gem slots. Hit rating is important, of course, just get it from rings or necklace or something. :)
- Jabari
rilabes has the right idea.
For 25-mans, I like to see a 33/28/0 warrior. The benefit of +4% physical damage is hard to pass up.
But you're talking Kara. And you want a hybrid dps/tank spec. You want fury. I think we had an OT for Kara (before doing 25 mans) that was 5/41/15... or something to that effect. She did good dps and could offtank just fine, having all the necessary mitigation and lacking only some threat generation.
The old mantra of Arms being the best OT spec is done. Fury has better rage+threat generation while tanking and better sustained dps while dealing damage. Although anon may be on to something with the 0/31/30 build. I'm not sure if the 1-H weap spec beats out rampage and the next 2 tiers of talents for dps. I know our fury warrior OT (when she was still a fury warrior OT ;) ) stacked hit and had Rampage up and maxed all the time.
But if you're heavy on the physical damage dealers and go at least 33 into MS, they'll love you for the +4% boost. But without improved slam, MS is kinda gimped for raid dps.
But if you're going fury, I'd recommend stacking hit. You need a TON of it, and you can't possibly get enough from other sources. Hits give rage (rage=damage), can crit, cause procs... etc. Who cares about item budget? Stack hit gems. All the +AP and +crit gems in the world won't help your dps as much as +hit (can't do damage when half your attacks are missed, glancing, and dodged). You should get enough crit from buffs, and other gear.
As a fury warrior and rogue, +1% hit is MUCH greater than +1% damage. Hit rating scales much better than attack power and crit rating until you get close to the hit cap (which is 27.6% vs lvl 73).
WARNING: If you do this, you will be PvP gank-bait. Fury/Prot hybrids get eaten alive... but are nice for PvE ;)
I don't think there's too much luck involved if you wipe at 3%, 2% and 1%. Sure, the spot where the infernals land is random, but if you take long enough, one of them is going to land on top of the dps group at some point. That's not luck, it's statistics.
You are right if you say you need higher dps in the raid. Higher dps means less infernals during the fight since the fight doesn't take as long. Therefore, the chance that infernals land on top of someone is decreased. Again, not luck, statistics.
You respeccing to increase your dps would indeed help. However, also reading the negative druid's entry about this, there are more people whose dps could get a little boost. Don't try to increase the dps by yourself, have a chat with your rogue and hunter to increase their dps as well!
Good luck, I'm sure you'll get him next time!
Bastiaan.
I am respeccing just for Prince. I won't go fury because I don't have the gear (+hit) to sustain my damage output. Just respeccing for 1 fight =). But again it all depends on the group makeup. Our guild is switching people back and forth so we aren't getting the same exact people for Prince this week. We will see what happens.
I strongly recommend, if you have the opportunity to design your group this way, to have two tanks for the raid: one a protection warrior and the other a feral druid. The druid can serve equally well (given that he has his gear) in both those fights which require two tanks and also in those which, like this, need only one and are more difficult if you have somebody standing by, not doing much damage. If this situation is not available to you, of course, you can ignore me. :)
Hey,
Just go either 33/28 or 31/30. I am 31/29/1 and I OT Mag channeler adds, the High Kings Priest add (lol), and every mob in Kara that needs an OT. It really all depends on getting the gear so you can stay alive and making ppl know that you have no points in prot.
Buckwild
Magtheridon
I just want to say that I was an Arms/Prot tank/ot in Kara for the longest time. I've maintanked all of the bosses, xcept Illhoof n Netherspite without any serious problems.
When there's a pure prot tank in the raid I go 2h and MS everything in sight :)
I'm 35/5/21 (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LVMcdAioM0doZVZfAzohMz) and with a biiiig 2h axe, I can do alot of damage (mana eels trash after curator with Sweeping Strikes and Cleave = priceless)
When tanking, I can still generate alot of threat as I have Defiance, and my survivability is good with avoidance talents like Imp.Shield Block and Last Stand.
Thank you everyone for leaving your comments. I will keep you guys posted on how it goes. I am definitely going to arms/protection if we take Prince on Monday.
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